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Lions Roar : November 2015
You were raised on a very small dairy farm outside Seattle in what you described as “a hardscrabble rural poverty life.” Would you say that existence informed you politically? When I say “hardscrabble poverty,” I’m just talking about the Depression. Everyone was poor, everyone that we knew. My dad was out of work for eight or nine years, but we did all kinds of other things, including splitting shakes, cutting old cedar stumps off close to the ground. We had chickens and cows and eventually fruit trees. I never had a consciousness of poverty until later, when I real- ized there were people who have it a little easier. But compared to the kinds of poverty you see in other parts of the world, we always had a car that ran, at least. It’s all a matter of degree. Zen is graduate school— you really get down to where you’ve got to make it work. PHOTOBYCHRISWELSCH©2005STARTRIBUNE,MINNEAPOLIS,MN ➢ SHAMBHALA SUN NOVEMBER 2015 73