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Lions Roar : September 2015
Pema & k.d. continued from page 49 So she took me to meet Lama Gyatso and that was it. The first thing he said to me was, “What’s your motivation?” I’m still thinking about what that means, but I think it’s about being in service. Being in service to others in everything that you do. Tami Simon: What are the parallels between the meditative pro- cess and the creative process? k.d. lang: That’s some heavy stuff right there. [Laughter] I think it’s exactly the same thing. It’s about getting rid of the chatter. It’s the gap. Not The Gap. Maybe we could get a spon- sorship from The Gap now. [Laughter, applause] It’s the gap, because I think real creativity comes from get- ting the heck out of the way. Creativity is not about creating big conceptions and stirring the pot so much that you just gotta throw up on the canvas or write, write, write, write. I think it’s about being so bored and being so empty and being so... gapacious. Tami Simon: Gapacious, yeah! k.d. lang: That’s where I think creativity comes from. I’m not a great meditator but I think that’s probably what meditation is about. It’s about getting out of the way of your true nature, which is stillness I think. Pema Chödrön: All spiritual teachings come from that place of not being caught up in yourself. When you get out of the way, that is the gap experience, the pause experience, the stillness experience. It’s the experience of strong, direct communication with the world, and that’s when all real communication hap- pens. Otherwise, it’s just you laying your trip on other people. When you kind of get over yourself, even briefly, that’s when creativity happens. That includes being able to speak in a way that communicates to the heart and minds of people. Something changes because of the basic goodness of people connecting with each other. So whether it’s you singing, or someone teaching the dharma, anything that stops your mind connects you with the best of yourself. When a ballet dancer leaps beautifully through the air, or a singer hits a note—I bet you’ve had this experience, k.d.— everybody stands up and applauds because of this univer- sal experience of something touching you so deeply that it’s inex- pressible—because it’s... gapacious! [Laughter] May I use that? k.d. lang: Yup. It’s my offering to you. My teacher always talked about the expansive nature—pull- ing yourself out of yourself and always looking with the widest possible view. It gives you a completely different perspective. Tami Simon: Authenticity seems to be “in” right now... Pema Chödrön: I’m so out of it that I didn’t even know this was in. [Laughter] ➢ WWW.KARMECHOLING.ORG in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont Meditation, Culture, Community Cultivate Mindfullness Align Mind and Body Deepen Relationships Explore Your Creativity Reconnect with Nature Transform Your Life nature your true discover SHAMBHALA SUN SEPTEMBER 2015 74