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Lions Roar : November 2018
PEMA CHÖDRÖN: No, I don’t buy it either. That demonizing language comes out of some kind of deep hurt. If it’s our basic nature to have an open mind and a warm heart, then a closed mind and hard heart is the greatest suffering of all, because it covers over our basic nature. That’s why the bodhisattva wants to remove the suffering that comes from demonizing others. I imagine there are lots of people whose minds were polar- ized and closed who have changed their views because of what happens at Homeboy. I think that’s amazing, because you can help people meet their basic needs much more easily than you can change hearts. Moderator Jose Arellano: What is the most important thing to each of you? PEMA CHÖDRÖN: For both of us, it’s alleviating suffering, wouldn’t you say? FATHER GREG BOYLE: Yeah. LION’S ROAR | NOVEMBER 2018 33