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Lions Roar : January 2005
96 SHAMBHALA SUN JANUARY 2005 more robust in the past in our own polit- ical tradition and it can be reinvigorated. Virtue really means a disposition to act. It’s a character trait, which may or may not be moral in the narrow sense. In fact, I think there are such things as political virtues, which are distinctly not moral. They have a way of binding together peo- ple who may disagree at very fundamen- tal levels but who still agree on the need and the good of living together, even with that disagreement. Cultivating that kind of understanding of virtue is a necessary first step. ROSENBERG: The people-to-people communication that I’m talking about could take place in many different forms. If we had, as I said before, public control of the media it would involve looking at some of the basic things that we don’t even get to talk about today, such as the degree to which wealth really controls what we call democracy in the United States. Only when we can have that kind of open discourse will the public be aware that it’s at this more radical level that we need the discourse, not over who these people allow us to vote for. That’s what I would like to see, struc- tural change that allows the people to talk about the real issues, and not just the ones that the people who control the media decide we can talk about. DVORKIN: Ithink the secret to our suc- cess in public radio, which is of course under-reported by commercial media, is local control. There are 775 public radio stations in the United States. They are all operated by community organizations that are local in their outlook, which I think is the inherent strength of them. People are already voting with their remote controls. Fewer and fewer people are watching commercial television, the numbers for commercial radio keep going down, but the number of people who listen to community radio and other public radio keeps going up. As media consolidation increases, the permission for cross ownership, which happened under the Clinton administra-